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Post by bondslegend on Nov 15, 2009 16:28:53 GMT -5
Yup, I guess so
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Post by atlbraves8393 on Nov 15, 2009 17:10:28 GMT -5
Does this not include International Free Agents? Chapman, for example?
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Post by bondslegend on Nov 15, 2009 18:31:29 GMT -5
I think it's a little ridiculous to go around making a ton of bids that you couldn't possibly keep if you won them all. *ahem, nats lookin at you ahem*
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Post by Reds GM on Nov 15, 2009 18:35:10 GMT -5
what happens if the player retires midway through the contract we give him?
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Post by nationalsgm on Nov 15, 2009 18:39:16 GMT -5
1) I'm not going to win them all 2) I have more than 50M in cap space
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Post by bondslegend on Nov 15, 2009 18:42:10 GMT -5
You've already bid a lot more than 10 mil on more than 5 players. Kinda insane
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Post by atlbraves8393 on Nov 15, 2009 21:03:35 GMT -5
what happens if the player retires midway through the contract we give him? My question as well
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Post by Blue Jays GM on Nov 15, 2009 21:07:23 GMT -5
Would it be possible to add a buy-out option?
What I'm thinking is something where you can buy-out a player to release him, but you carry a penalty worth half his salary for the remainder of the contract and while you are being charged the penalty, you cannot buy-out another player.
I.E. I sign player A to a 5 year, $40 million deal ($8 million per year). He plays for me for two years, and I want to release him, so I buy out his contract. I then incur a $4 million/year penalty for his remaining three years and cannot buy out another player until the penalty expires after those three years
(just for clarification, the player's salary would be dumped, and the penalty would be charged)
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Post by Phillies GM on Nov 15, 2009 21:24:00 GMT -5
Okay so I've mentioned to the commissioner that I'm not sure that everyone understands the free agency rules, specifically the 20% thing, so he's asked me to try to clarify it here and authorized me to post the following:
The rules currently state the following: "For each additional year offered above the next-best number of years, you can knock off twenty percent per year. For a 3 year deal in this structure, you'd have to offer at least $5.12M per year ($6.4M times .8) for a final offer of three years-$15.36 million."
I've confirmed this with the commissioner, and what this means is that if somebody bids $10 million for one year on a player, the next person could win with a bid of 7 years and 18.3 million, even though the average annual value of the second offer is only about 2.6 million. Here's why: FOR EACH ADDITIONAL YEAR ADDED ON, YOU CAN TAKE AN ADDITIONAL 20% OFF OF THE PREVIOUS REQUIRED AVERAGE ANNUAL VALUE
To beat a 1yr/$10 offer with a 2 year offer, you have to bid 2 years/16 mil because 80% of 10 is 8, 2*8=16 To beat a 1yr/$10 offer with a 3 year offer, you have to bid 3 years/19.2 mil because 80% of 8 is 6.4, 6.4*3=19.2 To beat a 1yr/$10 offer with a 4 year offer, you have to bid 4 years/20.4 mil because 80% of 6.4 is 5.1, 5.1*4=20.4 To beat a 1yr/$10 offer with a 5 year offer, you have to bid 5 years/20.5 mil because 80% of 5.1 is 4.1, 4.1*5=20.5 To beat a 1yr/$10 offer with a 6 year offer, you have to bid 6 years/19.8 mil because 80% of 4.1 is 3.3, 3.3*6=19.8 To beat a 1yr/$10 offer with a 7 year offer, you have to bid 7 years/18.2 mil because 80% of 3.3 is 2.6, 2.6*7=18.2 (note: some rounding has been done so total values of contracts may be off by up to 0.1 million, but no more than that)
Does everyone understand how this rule works? Feel free to ask questions.
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Post by Orioles GM on Nov 15, 2009 22:22:45 GMT -5
what happens if the player retires midway through the contract we give him? Contract is DROPPED if player retires midway through contract.
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Post by bondslegend on Nov 15, 2009 22:36:54 GMT -5
Thanks phils, I got it
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Post by bondslegend on Nov 15, 2009 23:04:50 GMT -5
What if we want to withdraw an offer? Can we just delete our post or do we HAVE to let it stay?
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Post by Orioles GM on Nov 15, 2009 23:21:48 GMT -5
You have to leave it
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Post by Tigers GM on Nov 16, 2009 3:54:41 GMT -5
Okay so I've mentioned to the commissioner that I'm not sure that everyone understands the free agency rules, specifically the 20% thing, so he's asked me to try to clarify it here and authorized me to post the following: The rules currently state the following: "For each additional year offered above the next-best number of years, you can knock off twenty percent per year. For a 3 year deal in this structure, you'd have to offer at least $5.12M per year ($6.4M times .8) for a final offer of three years-$15.36 million."I've confirmed this with the commissioner, and what this means is that if somebody bids $10 million for one year on a player, the next person could win with a bid of 7 years and 18.3 million, even though the average annual value of the second offer is only about 2.6 million. Here's why: FOR EACH ADDITIONAL YEAR ADDED ON, YOU CAN TAKE AN ADDITIONAL 20% OFF OF THE PREVIOUS REQUIRED AVERAGE ANNUAL VALUE To beat a 1yr/$10 offer with a 2 year offer, you have to bid 2 years/16 mil because 80% of 10 is 8, 2*8=16 To beat a 1yr/$10 offer with a 3 year offer, you have to bid 3 years/19.2 mil because 80% of 8 is 6.4, 6.4*3=19.2 To beat a 1yr/$10 offer with a 4 year offer, you have to bid 4 years/20.4 mil because 80% of 6.4 is 5.1, 5.1*4=20.4 To beat a 1yr/$10 offer with a 5 year offer, you have to bid 5 years/20.5 mil because 80% of 5.1 is 4.1, 4.1*5=20.5 To beat a 1yr/$10 offer with a 6 year offer, you have to bid 6 years/19.8 mil because 80% of 4.1 is 3.3, 3.3*6=19.8 To beat a 1yr/$10 offer with a 7 year offer, you have to bid 7 years/18.2 mil because 80% of 3.3 is 2.6, 2.6*7=18.2 (note: some rounding has been done so total values of contracts may be off by up to 0.1 million, but no more than that) Does everyone understand how this rule works? Feel free to ask questions. Say I have free agents who are bid up past their salary from last year before I had the chance to post. If I don't want the player, but want the compensation how do I bid? 1) Do I declare that I get compensation?Or 2) Can I post a bid that is already lower than the highest bid thus losing the player? OR 3) Do I have to make a higher bid, potentially winning a player I don't want?
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Post by Tigers GM on Nov 16, 2009 4:03:48 GMT -5
...Also, for compensation purposes, shouldn't we make the value of that all bids the 1 year salary equivalent?
For example, say a players REAL MLB salary is 9M per year and the current winning bid is a 2 year bid of 15 million. But that's 2 years at 7.5 million (which would trump any 1 year at less than $9.375M) So though the $7.5 Million per year is less than the 9M salary that would require draft pick compensation, it's actually greater than a 1 year bid of $9.1M that WOULD give compensation.
I would say in this scenario, the winning bid is one that gives the former owner draft pick compensation. What say you all?
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